The previews for issue two have started a debate with heavy implication that Jordon had a threesome with Birds of Prey members Huntress and Lady Blackbird which apparently EVERYONE knows about. Yeah it ticks me off that super stud has to have such a reputation that two strong women from DCs' only all female team have to bear the brunt of it. Nevermind the fact that neither would get in threesomes with each other, that Helena gave up causal sex and that Zinda has never been shown hooking up with men like that.
Gail Simone isn't pleased and I can't say I blame her. She's stated that she tried to make comics have less sexism without being preachy. The thing that annoys me the most is that you KNOW that they would never let the opposite situation see print. Like for example:
Zinda: Damn skipper, Dinah told me you had a crazy night with the boys. Blue Beetle (Ted) and that Booster Gold fella and a six pack.
Oracle: *Looking a little shocked and slightly pissed that Dinah blabbed her secrets.* You know?!
Zinda: Everybody is talking about it from Power Girl to Poison Ivy! Even Helena who used to be quite the swinger is impressed. And that's saying something.
Would that story ever be seen on page?
I am amused about the other controversy which is far less extreme about whether Jordon and Batman liked each other. I find it funny that they say they don't which means a.) Bruce likes Guy Gardner better as he's at least amused by him and b.) Bruce likes Booster Gold far better than the "one true Green Lantern of Earth."
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I think he has a problem with women....
Think about it; assuming the incident is true and Hal honestly got two of the most attractive young ladies in the hero game into bed together, are we to believe that Hal would be embarrassed about this fact? That he wouldn't have been bragging about it? And that Ollie wouldn't have been one of the first people he'd brag to?
I'd like to think it's far more likely that Ollie was making the whole thing up as a joke. And Hal, being too proud to deny something like that if people are talking about it, goes along with it.
Besides, Ollie said Dinah told him. And even if you can believe Hal wouldn't have bragged about this to Ollie, can you honestly believe that Dinah would have found out about Hal taking advantage of two of her closest friends while they were drunk and then not done something about it?
Forget her punching Ollie over him and Hal forming a scab Justice League. She would have put Hal in the hospital.
Of course I'm also leaning toward the crowd that thinks Helena and Zinda were likely in full possession of their faculties and that Hal's embarrassment is due to something else. Maybe he woke up in a hotel room with a note jokingly telling him how great he was and how they were sticking him with the bar tab? :)
Is Hal that much of a bragger? Back in JLI I recall everyone called Guy a pig for his behavior and compared him to Hal. If Hal was a bragger then why would he be seen in such a better light? And wait--Hal went along with it even though apparently everyone heard about it? That's an odd sounding joke to me.
The way Dinahs' being written lately? Hard to say to be honest. Depends on the writer but either this was supposed to show Hal being a super stud or it went on about an unfunny confusing joke for a page. It still makes fun of Dinahs' friends.
Hard for me to tell because the only exposure I've had to either character lately hasn't shown them in the best of light.
That's fair. The last time I saw Ollie being written properly was by Grant Morrison in Final Crisis. And that was for a whopping five pages.
Is Hal that much of a bragger? Back in JLI I recall everyone called Guy a pig for his behavior and compared him to Hal. If Hal was a bragger then why would he be seen in such a better light?
It depends on who is writing him. Honestly, Hal may not boast much in general (i.e. Guy bragging about how he's the greatest Green Lantern) but he is the kind of guy who will shoot the shit about women on Guy's Night Out, so to speak.
Mark Waid and Geoff Johns have both - post-New Earth - portrayed Hal as being something of a ladies man. Hal was definitely a flirt in JLA: Year One and Flash/Green Lantern: The Brave and the Bold. And up until Hal and his fellow pilot Cowgirl became an item, Hal was shown having a few one-night-stands in the pages of Green Lantern.
So yeah... Hal may not have been as obnoxious about things in general as Guy. But he's always been kind of a James Bond where his love life was concerned. And Hal DID steal Guy's girlfriend while Guy was in a coma...
And wait--Hal went along with it even though apparently everyone heard about it? That's an odd sounding joke to me.
Well, that was ONE way of explaining it. In retrospect, I think that it probably went more like this.
1. Hal embarrasses himself getting drunk around Zinda and Helena.
2. Z & H tell Dinah.
3. Dinah tells Ollie.
4. Ollie teases Hal about "the incident", and - being Ollie - tries to further ad to Ollie's embarrassment by specifically trying to make it sound like what it wasn't.
Given the circumstances, I don't think Robinson was actually implying a threesome. Because - as I said - if Hal had even tried to get Zinda and Helena liquored up and tried to talk them into anything and Dinah found out? There's be a lonely green ring flying around looking for another honest, brave man somewhere in Sector 2814.
I did know about Hal stealing Guys' fiancee thanks to a Green Lantern blog I found once.
I hear what you're saying but without seeing the ladies POV the statement is left to the readers own imagination. With talk of another ladies' man being impressed, etc it sounds negative. I don't see why it would have to take a page to tell unless it was important but it really seems like an odd set up. Huge Green Lantern fan huh? I read GLC but it's always nice to hear what a fan of the character thinks and I have to say this was different from one site I visited where everyone was patting Hal on the back. Thanks for providing some interesting insight.
a) The Honest, Fearless and otherwise honorable space cop Hal Jordan is...
1) cheating on his girlfriend
2) trying to get women drunk in order to take advantage of them physically.
b) The great populist, liberal thinker and all around defender of the defenseless, Oliver Queen approves of trying to seduce women by getting them drunk.
And this is ignoring that both Ollie and Hal have had stories in the past which dealt with their own alcoholism. Granting I'm pretty sure Emerald Dawn isn't canon anymore and I'm pretty sure most of Mike Grell's Green Arrow is similarly ignored...
I think Johns retconned Hal having alcoholism, at the very least he's implied that he wasn't a fan of that aspect of the character.